GeoControl2 Build 42

[cajomi]

I have updated the actually version. Please download your corresponding orders.

Now the project panel is online again.

The full version:
http://www.geocontrol2.com/Downloads/fafwerregzukztaewgasaf/GeoControl2.exe


The upgarde version:
http://www.geocontrol2.com/Downloads/fafwerregzukztaewgasaf/update_GeoControl2.exe



Thanks
Johannes

[CarlS]

Hi Johannes,

I tried running the upgrade version and it looks like it's all in German.
It only gets as far as the following screen::

[cajomi]

Now it must work correct. Simply downloading it again.

Johannes

[CarlS]

It now installs correctly and in English.
However, the Project panel is empty:

[cajomi]

Yes, the project panel is empty now, all of the functions are now are in the "generation" panel.

Johannes

[CarlS]

OK, thanks

--Carl

[dballesg]

Hi Johannes,

This build still crash under Vista 64 if you do not run it as Administrator.

The project panel empty doesn't look god, but I agree that moving the Project settings to the Generation tab has improved stability a lot, but I've still be able to crash Geocontrol by playing with two layers and moving them around.

David

[Vege Mite]

Yes, the project panel is empty now, all of the functions are now are in the "generation" panel.

Johannes

So what's the point of having a "Project Panel", if it's empty? Why not just get rid of it completely?

Then if one goes to the main menue, clicking on "Project" gives the option of "Close".

All a bit silly I think.

[Far Star]

With this new build how do you get a empty terrain?

[cajomi]

I just close it and open it again.
Johannes

[Far Star]

Could you give me a step by step on how you do this. When I click on close is closes the program and when i reopen it it has the default terrain in it.

[cajomi]

All data are destroyed and reopen an blank terrain.

Johannes

[Vege Mite]

Could you give me a step by step on how you do this. When I click on close is closes the program and when I reopen it has the default terrain in it.

In previous builds of GeoControl I could just click on "Isolines" and I'd get an option/window for choosing a blank terrain. In build 42 this no longer works without doing some acrobatics. I have to click on "Isolines", then click on another tab, (any tab will do), then click on "Isolines" again to get the option of a blank terrain. This is so frustrating that I'm seriously considering going back to build 41. Cajomi also hasn't said what he intends doing about the now empty Projects tab. :(

[Far Star]

Ah thanks Vege Mite that is the answer I was looking for.

[Blaine91555]

Generation > General > General Settings > Move slider under "Random Noise up to Level" to 0. Then click on Generate. Voila empty terrain :)

[Far Star]

Blaine,
this is a good suggestion only problem that I have with this is that by lowering the noise level to 0 does not give you a clean new project to work from you will still have to delete out all filters, selectors and what nots used in a preveius terrain build.

[3Jane]

Yo, whats going on? Any news?

[cajomi]

Just close the terrain and try a new one.

[cajomi]

It is about next or overnext week.
Johannes

[Vege Mite]

It is about next or overnext week.
Johannes
What is; about next?

[Vege Mite]

Just close the terrain and try a new one.

How do you close a terrain?

[cajomi]

Overnext week for a 3Jane, but for you.

Simly beend it, just close it, and open the new one.

[Vege Mite]

Overnext week for a 3Jane, but for you.

Simly beend it, just close it, and open the new one.

Going to:- Project > Close; just closes GeoControl, not the terrain.

I'm really giving up on this. Maybe you should find someone who can speak proper English and German too. :-(

[Far Star]

I am sorry but I had to roll back to your 41 build. 42 build and the new project set up needs work or documentation on how to use it.

[Vege Mite]

I am sorry but I had to roll back to your 41 build. 42 build and the new project set up needs work or documentation on how to use it.

With little or no response from cajomi I've rolled back too.

[cajomi]

You find all now in the "generation" settings.

[Far Star]

Please explain how you save a project with build 42 in the generation settings area. Currently there is no documentation on how to use it. So far I have had no luck.

[Vege Mite]

Please explain how you save a project with build 42 in the generation settings area. Currently there is no documentation on how to use it. So far I have had no luck.
Cajomi keeps coming out with the same crap. Maybe he is suffering from dementia. I have no idea where GeoControl2 is going from here. Maybe this is as far as it goes.:(

[Far Star]

In the generation setting all you do to save a project is use the save multi terrain settings and to reopen your project you use open multi terrain settings.

[artur]

I'm really, really disappointed with the lack of decent documentation and tutorials for the new features (which are not very intuitive to use anyway). I asked for tutorials months ago (in another thread), cajomi said they're coming... but this was months ago. I'm disappointed with the slowliness that everything happens in GC (development, documentation).

I'm also disappointed with the fact that lately all new builds seem to come with bugs that need a later fix.

I'm sorry to say that I already downloaded WorldMachine and I'm learning it. If things with Geocontrol don't quickly change, I will just abandon GC and embrace WM. Sorry, but you are about to lose one customer...

[dgrigo]

Give him some time....
You should have tried to work with VUE Xtreme from 6 to 7.5 to feel actualy angry.
I think he is doing a great work and i feel confident that we will get update and more documentation sooner or later.

/Best

[artur]

Give him some time....
You should have tried to work with VUE Xtreme from 6 to 7.5 to feel actualy angry.
I think he is doing a great work and i feel confident that we will get update and more documentation sooner or later.

/Best

You know, I really like this application. Really do. And I've been using it for a long time and I've invested a long time exploring it and learning it. Which makes the current situation even more frustrating.

My problem is not the current moment, my problem is the trend that we're seeing.

Everything is in the hands of one single person who, no matter how good his intentions are and how professional he is, is one person. He may get sick, he may die, he may get tired of GC and start doing something else, etc. What happens then? All the time we invested is gone, lost. I don't want to seem insensitive, but things are as they are.

I always knew this was a "one man show" but I had hopes that eventually this would turn into a bigger enterprise and Johannes would hire other programmers and GC would become magnificent and all its great potential would be unleashed. Not only this didn't happen, it seems that the trend is the opposite. I fear GC will reach a dead end soon. I really, honestly hope that I'm mistaken but the trend seems clear...

Johannes, please give us some hope...

[Vege Mite]

I always knew this was a "one man show" but I had hopes that eventually this would turn into a bigger enterprise and Johannes would hire other programmers and GC would become magnificent and all its great potential would be unleashed. Not only this didn't happen, it seems that the trend is the opposite. I fear GC will reach a dead end soon. I really, honestly hope that I'm mistaken but the trend seems clear...
Johannes, please give us some hope...

For me that hope has already gone. Posts asking for further news on what's happening are being ignored.

It seems he has his money and now we can all just go jump.

[Far Star]

Wow what do you guys want for a 130 bucks. I feel this was a great investment for the cost. I am finding this program to be working just fine for me and I am now able to create in Vue much more detailed terrain than I ever could with Vue terrain editor. The only issue I ran into was not knowing how to save the project in build 42 but since some one explained to me on how to do it here in this forum all is just great.
I look forward to build 43.

[artur]

Wow what do you guys want for a 130 bucks. I feel this was a great investment for the cost. I am finding this program to be working just fine for me and I am now able to create in Vue much more detailed terrain than I ever could with Vue terrain editor. The only issue I ran into was not knowing how to save the project in build 42 but since some one explained to me on how to do it here in this forum all is just great.
I look forward to build 43.

This is NOT a problem about invested money. I clearly wrote in my post that this is a problem about invested time. The money is not an issue.

I invested days, weeks, months in this tool, learning it, exploring it. If the development stops, it'll soon die out and with it my invested time. Every software tool that doesn't evolve will die because everything else around it will continue to evolve. Look at Bryce, for example, a dying tool, with more and more people leaving it and going into Vue. Etc, etc.

[cajomi]

I hope till the end of week it is done, so far.

[artur]

I hope till the end of week it is done, so far.

Great, thanks!
But done what? New build, documentation, tutorials?

[cajomi]

New build.
Documentation and tutorials may follow mids of the year.

[Far Star]

Outstanding!!!!

[artur]

New build.
Documentation and tutorials may follow mids of the year.

Well, if I have no documentation and tutorials, the new build is completely useless to me. I will not use it until I have some documentation and/or tutorials. I think it makes absolutely no sense to release a new feature now and its documentation/tutorial only 6 months later, or more. What will people do in the meantime? Bang their heads against the software, trying to make it work? It's frustrating.

Personally, I would really prefer that you invest your time in documentation/tutorials instead of new builds. I think GC should be like other tools, where documentation and new builds are released at the same time.

[nanaboso]

I'm sure I'll be able to use the new version, even without docomentation and tutorials. It's not a total rewrite is it? Don't get me wrong, I really want documentation and tutorials, but I'm sure they will appear later on. So I'm with dgrigo on this, give him some time.

[alexcoppo]

For me that hope has already gone. Posts asking for further news on what's happening are being ignored.

It seems he has his money and now we can all just go jump.

To where?

WorldMachine? another one-man-operation which, until a few days ago, looked so stalled that people were wondering whether the developer was still alive?

L3DT? yet another one-man-operation, which does not create terrains even remotely up to the standard of your worst GeoControl/WM doodle?

Leveler? OMO (one-man-operation)

Grome? costs at least twice GC2 and I was not even remotely impressed by the results (though this is a commercial operation with, apparently, links to the military field, so they are more into recreating terrains for training/mission planning purposes)

Other commerical applications? just go to http://vterrain.org/Packages/Com/ and you will see 4-digit (if not 5) price tags.

Any free apps? there lots of unfinished relics laying scattered around the internet.

The truth is that, unless for the work of Cajomi and Remnant (WM developer), we would still be creating terrains with little more than plasma fractals and middle-point-dispacement (great creases, aren't they?) little tools.

Bye...

[Abraham]

I'm pretty sure Cajomi does his best. When developing software you sometimes get into problems hard to overcome and until you find the solution, it's very hard to go forward. We certainly cannot say we paid and got nothing, we have a very usable (and in my opinion amazing) piece of software we can use, and the various missing features will arrive when they are ready. Besides, we are talking about a one man team here, who had health problems this year so what about giving him a break ?

[Shonner]

Every software tool that doesn't evolve will die because everything else around it will continue to evolve. Look at Bryce, for example, a dying tool, with more and more people leaving it and going into Vue. Etc, etc.

But Vue cannot come close to terrain erosion like GeoControl can. You will still need GeoControl for Vue.

[Shonner]

To where?

WorldMachine? another one-man-operation which, until a few days ago, looked so stalled that people were wondering whether the developer was still alive?

L3DT? yet another one-man-operation, which does not create terrains even remotely up to the standard of your worst GeoControl/WM doodle?

Leveler? OMO (one-man-operation)

Grome? costs at least twice GC2 and I was not even remotely impressed by the results (though this is a commercial operation with, apparently, links to the military field, so they are more into recreating terrains for training/mission planning purposes)

Other commerical applications? just go to http://vterrain.org/Packages/Com/ and you will see 4-digit (if not 5) price tags.

Any free apps? there lots of unfinished relics laying scattered around the internet.

The truth is that, unless for the work of Cajomi and Remnant (WM developer), we would still be creating terrains with little more than plasma fractals and middle-point-dispacement (great creases, aren't they?) little tools.

Bye...

Mojoworld. It still generates alien looking cell fractal terrain. Not realistic at all. Great for album covers for the 70's though. Also a one-man show.

[artur]

But Vue cannot come close to terrain erosion like GeoControl can. You will still need GeoControl for Vue.

Huh? I didn't say that Vue was a replacement for Geocontrol. Please read again. I mentioned Vue as the replacement for Bryce, as something that could also happen with Geocontrol (people leaving for other apps) if it stops evolving (like Bryce did).

[artur]

I'm pretty sure Cajomi does his best. When developing software you sometimes get into problems hard to overcome and until you find the solution, it's very hard to go forward. We certainly cannot say we paid and got nothing, we have a very usable (and in my opinion amazing) piece of software we can use, and the various missing features will arrive when they are ready. Besides, we are talking about a one man team here, who had health problems this year so what about giving him a break ?

Point by point:

a) Of course cajomi does his best, that's obviously not my point. He does a very good job too.

b) Of course software developers sometimes get into problems. I used to be a software developer myself. That's obviously not my point either.

c) My point is not the money I paid. I already said this twice. My point is the time I invested.

d) Of course we're talking about a one man show with health problems and that is my problem exactly! If this man runs into more problems or some serious problems all my invested time might go to waste. That is my concern exactly. It would be much better for all of us if there was a team behind the product and not one man only. Two reasons: development would be faster and my time investment would be more protected. I would be willing to pay more money for the product in this situation.

[dgrigo]

All we can do, is support him like we did when we bought the program, and hope he gets enaugh money to get some programmers to help him in the future and why not slack a little when he needs.
At the very end, its just software and even the biggest company can Vaporware like the old and good Cyborg from 5D inc that was costing 180.000 UK Pounds.
Just for the history as i was working on one of those...
http://www.siggraph.org/s2001/exhibition/detail/10.html
Maybe we will see some Autodesk "3D" going vapor in the future too.
But for sure we all hope for more updates in the future, if they come great, if not we need to move along.

/wave

[Vege Mite]

All we can do, is support him like we did when we bought the program, and hope he gets enaugh money to get some programmers to help him in the future and why not slack a little when he needs.

Maybe he's just greedy, wont share the technoledgy and wants all the money for himself. :-(

But for sure we all hope for more updates in the future, if they come great, if not we need to move along. /wave

Moving along is exactly what some of us are going to do.

[Shonner]

Huh? I didn't say that Vue was a replacement for Geocontrol. Please read again. I mentioned Vue as the replacement for Bryce, as something that could also happen with Geocontrol (people leaving for other apps) if it stops evolving (like Bryce did).

GeoControl 2 is the best eroded terrain generator and it works with 3D apps that have lack-luster terrain generators of their own. I don't think users will be jumping ship from it anytime soon. And it may be awhile before the other 3D apps catch up, it they are even trying to.

Or are you expecting to see trees, rocks, grass, clouds, sunsets, naked Poser figures with swords in your GeoControl 3? Otherwise, you're out of here?

[Shonner]

c) My point is not the money I paid. I already said this twice. My point is the time I invested.

I could understand wasting time on a program that doesn't produce results. But you're worried about having wasted time using a program that is working for you?!

[artur]

I could understand wasting time on a program that doesn't produce results. But you're worried about having wasted time using a program that is working for you?!

I really didn't make myself clear or you didn't read my posts carefully enough.
Yes, the program is working for me and it's great and I love it. But if it stops evolving, if it stagnates, it will die. If and when this happens, my invested time will be lost. I'm worried about the future, not the present.

[artur]

GeoControl 2 is the best eroded terrain generator and it works with 3D apps that have lack-luster terrain generators of their own. I don't think users will be jumping ship from it anytime soon. And it may be awhile before the other 3D apps catch up, it they are even trying to.

Or are you expecting to see trees, rocks, grass, clouds, sunsets, naked Poser figures with swords in your GeoControl 3? Otherwise, you're out of here?

Shawn, I'm also known as Rutra from Renderosity. You know I don't do naked Poser figures with swords. All I need is some indication that the product won't stagnate and die.

[Shonner]

I really didn't make myself clear or you didn't read my posts carefully enough.
Yes, the program is working for me and it's great and I love it. But if it stops evolving, if it stagnates, it will die. If and when this happens, my invested time will be lost. I'm worried about the future, not the present.

Understood. You prefer to waste time worrying about the future. A non-issue. But if it floats your boat.

[artur]

Understood. You prefer to waste time worrying about the future. A non-issue. But if it floats your boat.

Thinking about the future is necessary to define actions for the present. If not, the future will catch you unprepared and the consequences could be more serious.

If thinking about the future is a non-issue for you, then I suppose you also don't do savings for when you're old, you don't care about what you eat, etc, etc. Live the present, carpe diem. If that's your strategy for life, fine by me.

[Shonner]

Shawn, I'm also known as Rutra from Renderosity. You know I don't do naked Poser figures with swords. All I need is some indication that the product won't stagnate and die.

I haven't looked through your gallery, so I don't know. What 3D terrain software has stagnated and died?

[Shonner]

Thinking about the future is necessary to define actions for the present. If not, the future will catch you unprepared and the consequences could be more serious.

If thinking about the future is a non-issue for you, then I suppose you also don't do savings for when you're old, you don't care about what you eat, etc, etc. Live the present, carpe diem. If that's your strategy for life, fine by me.

I do those things. It's called life. I just don't worry about life.

[artur]

I do those things. It's called life. I just don't worry about life.

If you do those things, that's called worrying.

[artur]

I haven't looked through your gallery, so I don't know. What 3D terrain software has stagnated and died?

Sorry, I don't understand the relevance of your question for the subject at hand.

[alexcoppo]

For Vege Mite: again, moving along to... where? Any suggestions besides kidnapping somebody and using the ransom to buy a professional GIS application?

For Rutra:

But if it stops evolving, if it stagnates, it will die. If and when this happens, my invested time will be lost. I'm worried about the future, not the present.

...great, you have discovered the the most important fact of life: everything (and everybody) dies and therefore everything we do is, by definition, lost.

Bye.

P.S. a phrase I heard years ago: "We are all like milk cartoons: we have the expiry date printed on" (and here imagine a noose smiliey).

[Shonner]

If you do those things, that's called worrying.

Maybe worry means something else in your culture? To me, it is a waste of time that accomplishes nothing. No one likes a worry wart.

[Shonner]

Sorry, I don't understand the relevance of your question for the subject at hand.

Ok. The answer is no 3D terrain software has stagnated and died yet. So you are worrying about something for no reason. I'm guessing there is a culture difference here.

We can agree to disagree.

[artur]

Maybe worry means something else in your culture? To me, it is a waste of time that accomplishes nothing. No one likes a worry wort.

Maybe it's different for my culture. I went now to an english dictionary and read what this word means for english speakers and it's far heavier than the corresponding word in my native language. Ok, I admit that, given this, the word "worry" was not the best choice, the meaning got lost in translation. Maybe "concern" would have been a better word.

[Shonner]

Maybe "concern" would have been a better word.

Understood. Makes more sense now.

[artur]

For Vege Mite: again, moving along to... where? Any suggestions besides kidnapping somebody and using the ransom to buy a professional GIS application?

For Rutra:

...great, you have discovered the the most important fact of life: everything (and everybody) dies and therefore everything we do is, by definition, lost.

Bye.

P.S. a phrase I heard years ago: "We are all like milk cartoons: we have the expiry date printed on" (and here imagine a noose smiliey).

Thanks for this lesson of life! That will change my life forever. ;-)

[MrWobinson]

This build does not work for me. I'm using Win7 64bit and installing it in the default directory it will only run as admin. It then refused my registration twice but finally accepted it. I then loaded a terrain that came up ok but then it cropped it to a small squashed portion of the origional that was totally unuseable.

I agree with artur in his comments. I don't think cajomi is making a lot of money on this but his release procedure needs tightening. Is it beta tested? Windows software needs to work in 64bit and Win7 as this looks like being the standard in future.

I have just had to remove World Construction Set 6 because of this as they are no longer developing it, so terrain software does die. World Builder looks pretty dead to me as well. I mainly use GC2 for eroding rivers in DEM's so will go back to Build 41 and hope this mess gets sorted out soon. Is World Machine any better?

[Patrick210]

I'm using Build 42 on Win 7 Pro 64 bit and it's working fine for me.

[MrWobinson]

I'm using Win7 home so maybe that make a difference?

I have persisted with Build42 and it installed ok in a different location as long as B41 was installed as well. Also the strange cropping affect of a loaded terrain would dissappear if I move the view with the RMB but it crops again as soon as I attempt to zoom in, move the view a bit and it reverts to normal.

I would definately describe this as beta software and I will continue testing.

[Patrick210]

I'm not aware of any ability to move a view, especially with the RMB. You either have the top view or the render view, which can only be moved by selecting the different position dots.

[MrWobinson]

In the top view right click and drag and the map moves/scrolls.

I have noted that the initial image is the top left hand corner of the terrain filling the whole window. This happens all the time, every time. It does not happen in B41. The terrains I am using are 4096 ter's.

[hhnguyen]

I have downloaded build 42 and installed it. The installation seems to complete successfully, but when I try to open it, nothing happens. I then reinstall build 41 and it works fine.
I then have tried both full and upgrade version of build 42, but neither works. Both behave the same way. Nothing happend when I try to open the application.

I must have done something wrong.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Regards
hhnguyen

[cajomi]

Let me kown the right name, from were you register the download version, and your e-mail address.

Johannes

[hhnguyen]

Name: Hung Nguyen
Email: hhnguyen22152@yahoo.com

Thanks for your time and attention

Hung

[cajomi]

Have you solved at cornucopia3d?
Johannes

[hhnguyen]

Hi Johannes
I got build 42 installed fine. It was the Norton security program that messed it up.

Thanks
Hung

[grandmaster-b]

Hey all,

I have a problem, when I click the installer.. there pops up a message which language I want to choose, I select English, or Deutsch.. and then the installer runs on the background for 10 seconds and it closes? please help! I have Windows 7 Ultimate 64 BIT

[cajomi]

Just I give me two week to build a new demo version.

Johannes

[grandmaster-b]

hhaha.. of coarse dude! :D

thanks,
-Bob-

[section1]

This version will function correctly without the previous 37

[cajomi]

Of course it will function correctly with out build 37.
Johannes

[section1]

I wish it were true but for me I had to install build 37 in order build 42 to function correctly. For some reason the graphics are depndant well on my system anyway on build 37

[kaisersuzuki]

Should we expect a new build any time soon or is it safe to write off support at this time?

[cajomi]

I will work on it and it will be online soon (maximal two weeek)
Johannes

[Abraham]

This is a good news. I perfectly understand that you can reach a wall at a point in developing an application and that added to last year injury it might make it hard for you to keep on working on GeoControl. But, it is a wonderful application and it would be really sad to see it end up usable but unfinished :)

Das ist eine gute Nachricht. Ich kann sehr gut verstehen, dass die Entwicklung ein Program in einer Sackgasse ended (insbesonders mit Ihrem Unfall) und, dass es schwer sein kann, GeoControl weiter zu entwickeln. Es ist aber ein wunderbares Program und es wäre wirklich traurig es benutztbar aber unbeended zu lassen (Entschuldigung für mein Deutsch, ich bin ja Französisch :))

Jean-Luc

[dballesg]

I will work on it and it will be online soon (maximal two weeek)
Johannes

Hi Johannes,

Any news on your progress??

David

[cajomi]

I was ill, one and half week.
I will werk as soon as possible.
Johannes